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> <channel><title>Comments on: Deducting Interest And Joint HELOC</title> <atom:link href="http://blog.taxresource.ca/deducting-interest-and-joint-heloc/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://blog.taxresource.ca/deducting-interest-and-joint-heloc/</link> <description>Canadian Tax Help &#38; Financial Planning Resources</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:53:18 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Tax Guy</title><link>http://blog.taxresource.ca/deducting-interest-and-joint-heloc/comment-page-2/#comment-7994</link> <dc:creator>Tax Guy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 18:07:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.taxresource.ca/?p=2714#comment-7994</guid> <description>Javed,When you buy a stock, it’s cost plus any commissions are added to the cost base. When you sell the proceeds, less any commissions are deducted from the cost and the difference is a capital gain or which 1/2 is taxable. You cannot withdraw the “cost” or “book value”.Second, you can deduct the interest on borrowed money if the investment is used to gain or produce income from property. This includes interest, dividends, rents, royalties. It does not include capital gains. If you are a heave trader and most of your gains are capital, your interest deductibility may be compromised because the CRA may tell you that your investing is only for capital gains.Finally, the source of funds must be traceable to the use of funds. If you borrow to invest, then cash out some investments and pay the mortgage (not the HELOC) you may taint your structure and face a denial of deductions.You should hire someone to advise you.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Javed,</p><p>When you buy a stock, it’s cost plus any commissions are added to the cost base. When you sell the proceeds, less any commissions are deducted from the cost and the difference is a capital gain or which 1/2 is taxable. You cannot withdraw the “cost” or “book value”.</p><p>Second, you can deduct the interest on borrowed money if the investment is used to gain or produce income from property. This includes interest, dividends, rents, royalties. It does not include capital gains. If you are a heave trader and most of your gains are capital, your interest deductibility may be compromised because the CRA may tell you that your investing is only for capital gains.</p><p>Finally, the source of funds must be traceable to the use of funds. If you borrow to invest, then cash out some investments and pay the mortgage (not the HELOC) you may taint your structure and face a denial of deductions.</p><p>You should hire someone to advise you.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Javed</title><link>http://blog.taxresource.ca/deducting-interest-and-joint-heloc/comment-page-2/#comment-7934</link> <dc:creator>Javed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:08:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.taxresource.ca/?p=2714#comment-7934</guid> <description>I am trying to do the Smith manoeuvre. I have invested the Heloc amount into stocks. some of them are for long term (dividend) and some are short term trading. I started in Sept. this year. Now I have some taxable capitol gains + losses(after buying and selling) and some dividends. After withdrawing the amount, the book value of my portfolio will still be higher than my Heloc amount. My question is can I withdraw the amount equal to my capitol gains and dividends to pay the mortgage down, while still keeping my Heloc fully tax deductable.
Thanks</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to do the Smith manoeuvre. I have invested the Heloc amount into stocks. some of them are for long term (dividend) and some are short term trading. I started in Sept. this year. Now I have some taxable capitol gains + losses(after buying and selling) and some dividends. After withdrawing the amount, the book value of my portfolio will still be higher than my Heloc amount. My question is can I withdraw the amount equal to my capitol gains and dividends to pay the mortgage down, while still keeping my Heloc fully tax deductable.<br
/> Thanks</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tax Guy</title><link>http://blog.taxresource.ca/deducting-interest-and-joint-heloc/comment-page-2/#comment-5150</link> <dc:creator>Tax Guy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:18:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.taxresource.ca/?p=2714#comment-5150</guid> <description>@Kevin - If you have borrowed to invest and then have disposed of the investments for less than the loan, you can continue to deduct the interest on the excess, provided you used the proceeds of the sale to pay down the loan. The excess being the difference between the loan and the proceeds of the sale. This is permitted under &lt;a href=&quot;http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/fra/I-3.3/page-1.html#codese:20_1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;s.20.1 of the Income Tax Act&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-1-5th-supp/latest/rsc-1985-c-1-5th-supp.html#sec20.1subsec1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here is an alternate link&lt;/a&gt;. You can also read a better version of this at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/it533/it533-e.html#P121_10396&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;paragraph 19 of CRA Document IT533&lt;/a&gt;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin &#8211; If you have borrowed to invest and then have disposed of the investments for less than the loan, you can continue to deduct the interest on the excess, provided you used the proceeds of the sale to pay down the loan. The excess being the difference between the loan and the proceeds of the sale. This is permitted under <a
href="http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/fra/I-3.3/page-1.html#codese:20_1" rel="nofollow">s.20.1 of the Income Tax Act</a> &#8211; <a
href="http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-1-5th-supp/latest/rsc-1985-c-1-5th-supp.html#sec20.1subsec1" rel="nofollow">Here is an alternate link</a>. You can also read a better version of this at <a
href="http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/it533/it533-e.html#P121_10396" rel="nofollow">paragraph 19 of CRA Document IT533</a>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://blog.taxresource.ca/deducting-interest-and-joint-heloc/comment-page-2/#comment-5147</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:43:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.taxresource.ca/?p=2714#comment-5147</guid> <description>Thanks for the reply.Do you know what the law with regards to deducting interest paid on a loan taken out for investing in stocks, which you have now sold at loss, but the loan is unpaid yet.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply.</p><p>Do you know what the law with regards to deducting interest paid on a loan taken out for investing in stocks, which you have now sold at loss, but the loan is unpaid yet.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tax Guy</title><link>http://blog.taxresource.ca/deducting-interest-and-joint-heloc/comment-page-1/#comment-5122</link> <dc:creator>Tax Guy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:27:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.taxresource.ca/?p=2714#comment-5122</guid> <description>First of all, the situation is not that bad. You will need to prove ownership of the condo (joint or individually owned), who made payments to the HELOC, and where the income came from.I would not suggest hiring a lawyer simply because there are no &quot;legal issues&quot; here: You do not appear to have attempted to hide income. Whether you hire a lawyer or accountant, they will both end up doing exactly the same thing but the lawyer will cost you a lot more. Find a good accountant to file your taxes this year.I don&#039;t know of any accountants in Scarborough, but I would contact a few in your area. Ask each of them what their experience is with rental property and with borrowing to invest.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, the situation is not that bad. You will need to prove ownership of the condo (joint or individually owned), who made payments to the HELOC, and where the income came from.</p><p>I would not suggest hiring a lawyer simply because there are no &#8220;legal issues&#8221; here: You do not appear to have attempted to hide income. Whether you hire a lawyer or accountant, they will both end up doing exactly the same thing but the lawyer will cost you a lot more. Find a good accountant to file your taxes this year.</p><p>I don&#8217;t know of any accountants in Scarborough, but I would contact a few in your area. Ask each of them what their experience is with rental property and with borrowing to invest.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://blog.taxresource.ca/deducting-interest-and-joint-heloc/comment-page-1/#comment-5119</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:15:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.taxresource.ca/?p=2714#comment-5119</guid> <description>I am so glad to land on this blog after searching in google.
We have somewhat of a similar situation and I did not realize it will get this complicated. Don&#039;t know where to go for help before we file for taxes this year. I don&#039;t think the Tax filers/Accountants know all this. I need to find a good Tax lawyer.Anyways, hoping the TaxGuy can help meanwhile.
We have a condo jointly owned as our principle residence until Aug of 2009. The mortgage was a full HELOC. Husband was the only earner in 2009. We also had a joint chequing account from which the payments to this HELOC Mortgage were being made.
In Jun 2009 we created a sub-account of $15k from this HELOC and put in a stock brokerage account owned by Husband. We were then paying interest only payments into this account and are doing till this date from the joint chequing account.
The stocks were sold in Sep 2009 incuring a loss of $11,000. Proceeds from this sale were then put into the joint chequing account and then into the HELOC sub-account. Remaining loan still continues, with interest only payments being made.
Meanwhile, the condo converted from principle residence to investment property from Sep 2009. The rental income is deposited into the joint chequing account and all expenses(condo fee, property tax, rental insurance etc) are paid from this joint account.
Looks like we are now in trouble for holding this joint account.
My plan was to split the $200 or so per month income from condo rental equally and carry forward the capital loss from investment to offset against future capital gains in husbands name.
I am not clear if we would be denied the interest deduction on the HELOC Sub-account since we sold the investments in Sep 2009. I figured since that loan was for investment and interest is tax deductible, I keep that and instead of pay off the mortage on our current principle residence.Sorry,this is all too much info to post on a blog comment, but I am now worried and want to do things right, but cannot get straight forward replies from CRA at all and would be directed to go an accountant who might not know the rules.
Any recommendations for a good tax lawyer in Toronto, Pickering, Scarborough area would be appreciated.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad to land on this blog after searching in google.<br
/> We have somewhat of a similar situation and I did not realize it will get this complicated. Don&#8217;t know where to go for help before we file for taxes this year. I don&#8217;t think the Tax filers/Accountants know all this. I need to find a good Tax lawyer.</p><p>Anyways, hoping the TaxGuy can help meanwhile.<br
/> We have a condo jointly owned as our principle residence until Aug of 2009. The mortgage was a full HELOC. Husband was the only earner in 2009. We also had a joint chequing account from which the payments to this HELOC Mortgage were being made.<br
/> In Jun 2009 we created a sub-account of $15k from this HELOC and put in a stock brokerage account owned by Husband. We were then paying interest only payments into this account and are doing till this date from the joint chequing account.<br
/> The stocks were sold in Sep 2009 incuring a loss of $11,000. Proceeds from this sale were then put into the joint chequing account and then into the HELOC sub-account. Remaining loan still continues, with interest only payments being made.<br
/> Meanwhile, the condo converted from principle residence to investment property from Sep 2009. The rental income is deposited into the joint chequing account and all expenses(condo fee, property tax, rental insurance etc) are paid from this joint account.<br
/> Looks like we are now in trouble for holding this joint account.<br
/> My plan was to split the $200 or so per month income from condo rental equally and carry forward the capital loss from investment to offset against future capital gains in husbands name.<br
/> I am not clear if we would be denied the interest deduction on the HELOC Sub-account since we sold the investments in Sep 2009. I figured since that loan was for investment and interest is tax deductible, I keep that and instead of pay off the mortage on our current principle residence.</p><p>Sorry,this is all too much info to post on a blog comment, but I am now worried and want to do things right, but cannot get straight forward replies from CRA at all and would be directed to go an accountant who might not know the rules.<br
/> Any recommendations for a good tax lawyer in Toronto, Pickering, Scarborough area would be appreciated.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tax Guy</title><link>http://blog.taxresource.ca/deducting-interest-and-joint-heloc/comment-page-1/#comment-4513</link> <dc:creator>Tax Guy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:53:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.taxresource.ca/?p=2714#comment-4513</guid> <description>@ Dave - It is not specifically in the act. The CRA has indicated in their interpretation bulletins that interest on borrowed funds used to gain or produce income is deductible from income. They have clarified this by stating that the source the funds must be traceable to the use of funds. This indicates that if the proceeds of a loan are used for more than one purpose or shared between spouses, that he interest deduction must be in proportion to the amount used for investment.Further, with respect to the payments on the HELOC, the payments made should be in similar proportion to its use.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dave &#8211; It is not specifically in the act. The CRA has indicated in their interpretation bulletins that interest on borrowed funds used to gain or produce income is deductible from income. They have clarified this by stating that the source the funds must be traceable to the use of funds. This indicates that if the proceeds of a loan are used for more than one purpose or shared between spouses, that he interest deduction must be in proportion to the amount used for investment.</p><p>Further, with respect to the payments on the HELOC, the payments made should be in similar proportion to its use.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dave D</title><link>http://blog.taxresource.ca/deducting-interest-and-joint-heloc/comment-page-1/#comment-4511</link> <dc:creator>Dave D</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:21:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.taxresource.ca/?p=2714#comment-4511</guid> <description>Can you link to the section of the income tax act where it states that allocation is based on percentage of who repays loan if the loan is jointly held?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you link to the section of the income tax act where it states that allocation is based on percentage of who repays loan if the loan is jointly held?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tax Guy</title><link>http://blog.taxresource.ca/deducting-interest-and-joint-heloc/comment-page-1/#comment-4145</link> <dc:creator>Tax Guy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:22:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.taxresource.ca/?p=2714#comment-4145</guid> <description>@ Andrew:The &quot;legal&quot; title is irrelevant to tax law. Rather the tax law looks through the legal structure and looks at the beneficial arrangement.Therefore, it does not matter if the HELOC is in the name of only one spouse. It matters whose money was used to pay the HELOC.If you want to use your HELOC to invest AND split the income you need to make sure that you and your spouse make equal payments to the HELOC at the same time. You&#039;ll need to be able to prove the source of funds - to do this you need to have separate bank accounts: once where your pay goes into and another where he pay goes into (these can both be joint accounts for convenience).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Andrew:</p><p>The &#8220;legal&#8221; title is irrelevant to tax law. Rather the tax law looks through the legal structure and looks at the beneficial arrangement.</p><p>Therefore, it does not matter if the HELOC is in the name of only one spouse. It matters whose money was used to pay the HELOC.</p><p>If you want to use your HELOC to invest AND split the income you need to make sure that you and your spouse make equal payments to the HELOC at the same time. You&#8217;ll need to be able to prove the source of funds &#8211; to do this you need to have separate bank accounts: once where your pay goes into and another where he pay goes into (these can both be joint accounts for convenience).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andrew</title><link>http://blog.taxresource.ca/deducting-interest-and-joint-heloc/comment-page-1/#comment-4138</link> <dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 05:22:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.taxresource.ca/?p=2714#comment-4138</guid> <description>Thanks Tax Guy.
If I understand correctly, the HELOC could be in both names, but to avoid problems the investment account drawing funds from the HELOC should be in the name of one spouse.  Then if the plan is to use dividends from the investments to pay for the interest on the credit line, they will be drawn from that investment account, keeping all transactions in the one spouse&#039;s name (or any other payments to the HELOC).
In general for this example, does it make sense for the lower income earner to have the investment account?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tax Guy.<br
/> If I understand correctly, the HELOC could be in both names, but to avoid problems the investment account drawing funds from the HELOC should be in the name of one spouse.  Then if the plan is to use dividends from the investments to pay for the interest on the credit line, they will be drawn from that investment account, keeping all transactions in the one spouse&#8217;s name (or any other payments to the HELOC).<br
/> In general for this example, does it make sense for the lower income earner to have the investment account?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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